The public has been led to believe that the CIA was solely responsible for torturing 

detainees, while the FBI’s hands remained clean of the dirty work. This could not be further from 

the truth. The reality is that the FBI played a central and secret role from the beginning. In fact, 

the FBI was involved from the first day when Abu Zubaydah was captured—both before and after 

America’s first, and only, torture program was officially sanctioned by the Department of Justice. 

(To be clear, the issue is not which agency is worse or deserves more blame—the issue is that both 

the CIA and the FBI participated in the dehumanizing and violent torture of detainees.) 

When Abu Zubaydah was first detained by the CIA in late March 2002, President Bush 

approved his rendition from Pakistan to Detention Site Green, where he was questioned by special 

agents of the FBI.8

 He informed the interrogators that he intended to cooperate and provided 

background information on his activities before his medical condition deteriorated and was 

apparently hospitalized the very evening he arrived at Detention Site Green. 9 As his medical 

condition worsened, he was put on a breathing tube; however, he continued to communicate with 

both CIA and FBI officials while at the hospital by using an alphabet chart during this time. 10


FBI agents remained with him while he was hospitalized and immediately debriefed him 

after his breathing tube was removed on April 10, 2002.11 During an FBI interrogation the same 

day, Abu Zubaydah identified a man named Mukhtar as the “mastermind” of the FBI attacks and 

identified “Mukhtar” in a picture.12 The picture showed Khalid Sheykh Mohammad (KSM), whom 

Abu Zubaydah reported was related to Ramzi Yousef, a man convicted and imprisoned in the 

United States for his involvement in the 1993 World Trade Center attack. 13 Abu Zubaydah further 

provided information on KSM’s background. He also provided information on al-Qaida, his past 

travel to the United States, and general information on extremists in Pakistan. 14 Future 

representations made by the CIA about the success of the agency’s Detention and Interrogation 

program describe this intelligence, specifically that on KSM, as “vital” information, although a 

review of CIA records found it merely corroborated information already available in CIA 



What these representations demonstrate, however, is the close nature of the work done 

between the FBI and the CIA during this early stage of Abu Zubaydah’s interrogation. The CIA 

credits information revealed to the FBI as being an example of the success of its own interrogation 

program, when the two agencies seemingly had two distinct – and at times, adverse – interrogation 


Further, much of such information was collected prior to the CIA’s use of enhanced 

interrogation techniques, yet the CIA represented that the information was acquired “as a result” 

of their new torture program, using it as a pretext to continue the program. 16 

While Abu Zubaydah was still hospitalized, the CIA “formally proposed that Abu 

Zubaydah be kept in an all-white room that was lit 24 hours a day, that Abu Zubaydah not be 

provided any amenities, that his sleep be disrupted, that loud noise be constantly fed into his cell, 

and that only a small number of people interact with him,” 17 leading to a state of “learned 



On April 12, 2002, in an update on the Abu Zubaydah interrogation plans, the CIA planned 

to ramp up their interrogation tactics and “[i]n accordance with the strategy, and with concurrence 

from FBI Headquarters, the two on-site FBI agents will no longer directly participate in the 

interview/debriefing session.” (CIA Sensitive Addendum “Update on the Abu Zubaydah 

Operation,” dated 12 April 2002, “1630 Hours.”) Implicit in this statement is the fact that the FBI 

had previously had a “presence” in the interview room, possibly even simultaneously with CIA 

interrogations. This was the same day that DCI Tenet gave orders that the CIA would have sole 

custody of Zubaydah.19 The FBI special agents questioning Zubaydah at the hospital objected to 

the CIA’s plans. The SSCI report does not indicate that CIA officers also remained with Abu 

Zubaydah while he was hospitalized. At that time, Abu Zubaydah identified Khalid Shaykh 

Mohammad (KSM) as the mastermind of the September 11 attack. 20 

On April 13, 2002, while Abu Zubaydah was still hospitalized, the CIA implemented their 

“new interrogation program” conducted by a CIA interrogator “coached by [a] psychological 

team.”21 In a meeting lasting only 11 minutes, the CIA interrogator advised Abu Zubaydah that he 

had a most important secret that the interrogator needed to know.” 22 Abu Zubaydah nodded in 

agreement, but ultimately feel asleep.23 Though the FBI was barred from interrogating him, the 

FBI officers they remained on site, sitting in the adjoining room. In a cable back to headquarters, 

the FBI officers noted that they “spent the rest of the day in the adjoining room with the CIA 

officer and one of the psychiatrists waiting for Abu Zubaydah to signal he was ready to talk.”24

The officers had even “explained their rapport-building approaches to the CIA interrogation team 

tried to explain that [they had] used this approach before on other Al-Qaeda members with much 

success”25 and “tried to politely suggest that valuable time was passing where we could attempt to 

solicit threat information.”26 

On April 15, 2002, “Abu Zubaydah was sedated and moved from the hospital [back] to 

Detention Site Green,”27 awaking “surprised and disturbed by his new situation.” The next day, on 

April 16, 2002, the interrogation strategy changed away from “total isolation as originally planned” 

and towards a “24-hour interrogation strategy,” which allowed FBI officers to resume interrogating 

Abu Zubaydah.20 The identities of these new interrogators were also masked to further prevent 

Abu Zubaydah from identifying them, beginning in April 2002, resulting in even blurrier line 

between FBI and CIA.21


The officers were to wear “all black uniforms, including boots, gloves, balaclavas, and 

goggles.” 28 This was intended to prevent Abu Zubaydah “from seeing the security guards as 

individuals who he may attempt to establish a relationship or dialogue with.” 29 During this time, 

Abu Zubaydah was kept naked, in his cell, handcuffed, shackled, with loud music and noise 

generators, and sleep deprived, to ensure that he was at his most vulnerable state. At this point, 

when being stripped to nothing but a towel,30 there was a blurred line between the CIA and the 

FBI, such that they were synonymous as their torturers. It is likely that in the course of the 

aggravated techniques used by the CIA that Abu Zubaydah lost any good faith rapport he may 

have previously had with the FBI. 

On April 17, 2002, FBI officials questioned him again. 31 An officer met with him for six 

hours, during which time Abu Zubaydah denied any knowledge related to specific targets and 

provided only general information related to extremists in Pakistan.32 He continued to deny having 

any knowledge relating to a pending attack, or specific targets, claiming that the conversations 

between “brothers on the front lines” were “just talk,” such that the United States should not be 

concerned.33 Although Abu Zubaydah had “not seen the interviewing agent,” he greeted the agent 

by name.34 It is not clear whether this agent was required to wear the identity-concealing garb 

discussed above, or if he revealed his identity to Abu Zubaydah voluntarily. In either case, after 

these harsh conditions and interrogation techniques had commenced, Abu Zubaydah was 

cognizant of the fact that he was still being questioned by FBI agents, although it is not clear that 

Abu Zubaydah knew the distinction between the agents interrogating him from different agencies. 

On April 20, 2022, he told FBI agents about men who had approached him with a plan to 

detonate a uranium-based explosive device in the United States. 35 Though Abu Zubaydah 

reiterated his disbelief that this was a viable plan, and that he did not know the individuals, he 

provided physical descriptions of the two individuals, which the CIA later represented as having 

enhanced the agency’s previous suspicions in the thwarting of the ‘Dirty Bomb Plot‘ and the 

capture of Jose Padilla. 36 However, this information was provided after Abu Zubaydah was 

allowed to sleep.37


On July 13, 2002, the CIA’s acting general counsel, John Rizzo, met with attorneys from 

the National Security Council and the Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), as 

well as with Michael Chertoff, the head of the Department of Justice Criminal Division, and Daniel 

Levin, the chief of staff to the FBI director, to provide an overview of the CIA’s proposed

interrogation techniques and to ask for a formal, definitive DOJ opinion regarding the lawfulness 

of employing the specific CIA interrogation techniques against Abu Zubaydah. 

After Abu Zubaydah was placed in isolation in early June, the FBI special agents did not 

return to Detention Site Green as all interrogation had ceased. 

This information would later be used by the CIA as evidence in support of the use of 

enhanced interrogation techniques, implying that even three months before the torture program 

had officially been approved the CIA may have been experimenting with the same or different 

“enhanced” techniques that the agency would employ once the program obtained formal 

authorization.38 This is further evidenced by the CIA’s decision to adopt Mitchell’s most “coercive 

interrogation option” out of the three strategies sent to CIA HQ around late April 2002 in the face 

of FBI opposition.39


Given the presence of FBI officers during this period of intense interrogation their mere 

presence, whether or not they participated in the torture, would undermine their credibility as 

interrogators in Abu Zubaydah’s eyes. Even if the FBI officers did not participate in the torture, if 

it occurred at that time, they undoubtedly witnessed it or had knowledge that it occurred. Indeed, 

the Department of Justice concluded that FBI agents “participated in interviews in which 

interrogation techniques that would not be available to an FBI agent in the United States were used 

on Zubaydah.”40 Further, Abu Zubaydah’s perception of who was interrogating him was entirely 

dependent on what the interrogator chose to share. 

FBI agents reported that during this time, CIA personnel impersonated FBI agents in 

interviews with detainees.41 More importantly, the interrogator’s identity and employer would be 

inconsequential to Abu Zubaydah once the torture had begun because a reasonable person in that 

situation would realize that any interaction with agents of the United States government could 

result in further torture based on the things that he said or did not say. 

Any ability to get a clean confession would be tainted by his fear that anything he said 

could lead to further torture, altering his decision matrix and creating uncertainty as to the accuracy 

of any statements he made after the torture began. If in fact the CIA began using enhanced 

interrogation techniques before they were legally authorized, any confessions taken by the FBI 

after that time should be viewed skeptically


studying psychiatric torture methods, i was psychiatrically tortured and their pains gotten out on me, so i seem like them, the conglomeration of crazies over the years to i, who am the sanest of them all, so their abuse has a history, they do it by force to make others act out their fantasies of self-expression, turning them into who they are only on the outside, and through the internal input of drugs to create certain states that empower them, these people aren't mentally ill, they are simply emotionally expressive, so they take their emotions and stress them out to produce them, it's been studied, it's their thing, it's their torture, so they get what they deserved, instead of being known as psychopaths, the switch the states so "the falsely physical" are their "narcissisms," they don't appear normal, but tricks over the years have made them be slaves and whipped and chained by slavekeepers, who simply upon command make them their toys, so they act out their revenge, and are blamed for it, although the psychiatrists are the abusers and blameshifters, they reach a bad state known as bad normality, it's just talkative and everything is cute it's a protocol how to create insanity the what seems of it, so there are techniques to make someone take all of your emotions, and be known as crazy by sheer physical force and torture it seems like a desperate hold on psychiatric slavery 

War on Psychiatric Slavery is completed, and has been, such that the abuse victim, the psychiatric patient, cannot act out against his will, for her to enslave him to hers, and when Lilit Pogosian MD tried to literally enslave me in a similar way but involving elements of known governmental torture i wouldve gotten upset if she hadn't, showing the crassness of psychiatry at the bottom, its vulgarities and lies, its tool to make people enslaved unknowingly for someone who sits there and enjoys their agony, their show for others and the freedom and elevation of herselves, good bye abusers, it's not as bad in the uk, but please remember no one in the uk has a gang problem, and when lilit is mentioned with a gang member she doesn't, yet as a torturer, like all psychiatrists, try to enslave into chosen stress adoration position, the gangs in the uk are not rape gangs, only groups who are individualized by themselves, not others; so the abuse is gross, it involves making someone, with the powers of psychiatry, and also to kill deliberately for fun to torture and to jail whenever just for fun all through lies

so lilit is going to hell with her family she is a racist she worked hard to kill me almost drowning me to death but continuously in a cia torture program and you think for her kids to earn a good grade now after she did that to me and my family with gavin newsom who ordered and had paperwork ready with Anthony Frisbee literarlly involved to go over and say hey mina's sick look at what i found like he did before well he's not the samrt gavin newsom's kids are going to be fucked up foreverit is not ok for you to think his kids should earn a good grade after he tried to kill me and my family so disgusting so racist so out of touch with reality and going to Hell of course just not worthy of time and worthy of my energy

lilit pogosian md is racist and enabled by a medical board that is gavin newsom's who also burned down a business and caused major damages he likes to enjoy pain he is a sadist like his wife both individuals are on the radar at the united kingdom where they are not allowed and also they are known to be racists no one in their family loves anyone and they don't deserve anything their hell is particularly bad because it involves all the abuses growing up of everyone they've known so when you said let's see if that works let's see if that pill can get ordered today for that person over there will lilit you scary bitch youre going to hell and guess what stupid kids you're going to get buttfucked because you're racist asses are not going to survive tomorrow night and also you are so pathetic that you involved so many figures to say he's crazy he's sick he's not normal he's a little bit off well guesss what you stupid bitch i just killed your kids and your daddy a faggot who likes to wear dresses and stay away from women because he is gay like your daughter is both hideous figures in history which is written and expressed you as the devil families who are going to hell entirely because of who you are who you stopped and who you wanted to kill so as God says youi're going to hell it's too bad you're kids are stupid altogether dumb i've checked them up and their girls are not in maxim, and no one likes them for trying to actively kill those who are kind and those who are not easily thrilled you killed Sia little boy you killed Alana Haim you stupid little fucks get your asses circumcised and when newsom said i'm a good person i'm so funny hiz sister said she's really ugly i don't like her well i don't like you much either you're not a good person you raped Evan Rachel Wood youre fucking going to Hell you ruined everyone's life your the worst girl in the world nothing good about you a piece of shit your daddys girl, who i say is ugly and a no from me from both of us, who ssay goodbye ugly bitch you're not allowed in our country anymore, you're going to Hell, not Heaven, bye now

i hope to god kristina lawsons kiddos get a clitlick like the gymnasts did

before you make the girls insane again let me tell you it didn't work i just acted the whole time for them for the victims of your rapists, your stupid braindead children which they'll be, they're not allowed in the united kingdom you are banned entirely you can't go you get stopped because you're rapists bad children bad parents the worst in history going to Hell because just because at this point

all of y'all think is a joke he's gonna crazy it's so fun listen you're fucking stupid first youre a bad person and youre incredibly stupid kids are not going to get by no no kids you're not gonna kids you're gonna be castrated you stupid fucks 

kristina lawson likes gavin newsom more than princess charles

"evan rachel wood would also like to add i had sex twice once with" "i was married to this lovebug for so long"



The United States of Terrors

is going to hell everyday

Jim Jones ran the Peoples Temple to avoid you fucks

guess what

the watermelon koolaid man of lilit pogosian md's was hers,

the united states of terrors killed everyone at The People's Temple, the spiked punch story was created by fuckers who hate everyone, the us president 

so you killed jim jones to preach satanism as usual, bye ugly ass